00:28:03.0 501 ECOFFEY: Okay. When you said it was getting towards morning,

00:28:06.0 502 how could you tell?

00:28:07.6 503 LOOKING CLOUD: Cause it was getting kind of blue out.

00:28:09.3 504 ECOFFEY: Okay. It wasn't light yet, but it was -

00:28:11.5 505 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, kind of a little bit, yeah.

00:28:14.1 506 ECOFFEY: Okay. When you was sitting at the house in Rosebud,

00:28:26.3 507 you and Anna Mae, was you having any conversation with Anna Mae?

00:28:29.8 508 LOOKING CLOUD: No. I never had a talk with her.

00:28:32.8 509 ECOFFEY: She wasn't saying anything?

00:28:34.1 510 LOOKING CLOUD: We don't know each other.

00:28:36.0 511 ECOFFEY: She wasn't asking you to let her go?

00:28:37.7 512 LOOKING CLOUD: Huh-uh.

00:28:38.4 513 ECOFFEY: No?

00:28:39.3 514 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:28:40.0 515 ECOFFEY: But she was still tied up in the back there?

00:28:41.8 516 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:28:42.7 517 ECOFFEY: Okay. All right. And then you left the house in

00:28:48.1 518 Rosebud, you said you drove towards (inaudible) --

00:28:51.4 519 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:28:51.7 520 ECOFFEY: On the back road?

00:28:52.9 521 LOOKING CLOUD: Or somewhere and then Theda drove. [Removed "inaudible" and added "and then Theda drove".]

00:28:54.9 522 Theda was the one that was driving.

00:28:55.8 523 ECOFFEY: Theda was driving.

00:28:56.5 524 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, most all the time.

00:28:58.8 525 ECOFFEY: Then what did you do?

00:29:02.2 526 LOOKING CLOUD: We stopped somewhere, and then John Boy and

00:29:17.1 527 Anna Mae got out, and Theda told me, Go with him.

00:29:24.5 528 ECOFFEY: Okay. You stopped - it was like alongside the road?

00:29:26.3 529 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:29:27.4 530 ECOFFEY: Okay. You said John Boy got out.

00:29:29.9 531 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:29:30.1 532 ECOFFEY: And he went - where was he sitting at the time?

00:29:32.3 533 LOOKING CLOUD: He was with -- he got out.

00:29:37.7 534 ECOFFEY: Okay. He got out.

00:29:39.1 535 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:29:39.4 536 ECOFFEY: And then Theda said, Go with him?

00:29:41.8 537 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:29:43.5 538 ECOFFEY: And what did you guys do then, take Anna Mae out?

00:29:45.8 539 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:29:47.1 540 ECOFFEY: Took her out of the back of the car?

00:29:48.7 541 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah. Well, he already had her out --

00:29:51.4 542 ECOFFEY: Okay.

00:29:52.1 543 LOOKING CLOUD: -- and was going, and Theda said, Go with him.

00:29:54.9 544 And he was already across the fence. There was a fence there.

00:29:57.8 545 ECOFFEY: There was a fence there. Okay. So you two -- so all

00:30:01.3 546 three of you crossed the fence?

00:30:02.2 547 LOOKING CLOUD: No, he did, and then Theda told me, Go with him,

00:30:05.9 548 when he was already over there.

00:30:08.3 549 ECOFFEY: Okay. And then what happened?

00:30:14.1 550 LOOKING CLOUD: And then he - I think she knew then, but I didn't

00:30:22.3 551 think they were gonna go through with it, then. I thought it

00:30:25.0 552 was just like, you know, like they were gonna scare her or

00:30:29.1 553 something, cause John Boy pulled out a pistol.

00:30:32.7 554 ECOFFEY: Okay.

00:30:32.9 555 LOOKING CLOUD: And I thought -

00:30:33.9 556 ECOFFEY: Okay. Go ahead.

00:30:35.7 557 LOOKING CLOUD: I thought they weren't gonna do it. But he did.

00:30:41.1 558 ECOFFEY: Okay. Tell me exactly, what did he do?

00:30:46.2 559 LOOKING CLOUD: He put it on her head and she prayed,

00:30:49.9 560

00:30:51.5 561 ECOFFEY: She was praying?

00:30:52.5 562 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah. So I didn't think, you know, he was gonna

00:30:55.5 563 do it. But then he did.

00:30:59.7 564 ECOFFEY: Okay. When you said you didn't think he was gonna do

00:31:01.9 565 it and he did, what did he -- what did he do?

00:31:03.7 566 LOOKING CLOUD: I didn't think he was gonna do it.

00:31:05.1 567 He shot her in the head.

00:31:09.3 568 ECOFFEY: He shot her in the back of the head?

00:31:10.5 569 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, somewhere.

00:31:12.4 570 ECOFFEY: Okay. And what happened then?

00:31:15.3 571 LOOKING CLOUD: And then he gave me the gun, and I thought, or if

00:31:19.0 572 they were gonna -- if they killed her, they're gonna kill me. So I

00:31:23.2 573 emptied what was left in the -- in the gun.

00:31:30.6 574 ECOFFEY: When you said you emptied it, what did you do?

00:31:32.7 575 LOOKING CLOUD: I shot it into the ground.

00:31:34.1 576 ECOFFEY: Into the ground. Okay. What happened to her after

00:31:37.6 577 she was shot?

00:31:39.0 578 LOOKING CLOUD: We just left.

00:31:42.0 579 ECOFFEY: I mean, was you standing on the edge of a bank?

00:31:45.5 580 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:31:46.0 581 ECOFFEY: When she got shot, did she fall over the bank?

00:31:49.6 582 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah. I knew it was real then.

00:31:54.8 583 ECOFFEY: You knew it was real then. Okay.

00:31:58.9 584 What kind of gun was it?

00:32:00.7 585 LOOKING CLOUD: I'm not too sure what kind it was.

00:32:02.4 586 ECOFFEY: A revolver?

00:32:04.4 587 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, I think so. Like a barrel.

00:32:08.1 588 ECOFFEY: Like a barrel, with a cylinder?

00:32:10.4 589LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:32:11.0 590 ECOF FEY: With bullets. Okay. After he shot her, then what

00:32:19.3 591 happened, what did you do?

00:32:21.3 592 LOOKING CLOUD: We got back in the car and we left and came back

00:32:24.9 593 this way, just quiet.

00:32:30.2 594 ECOFFEY: Did Theda and John Boy say anything?

00:32:32.9 595 LOOKING CLOUD: No. It was just quiet. I think Theda said - she

00:32:46.9 596 told John Boy, If anything, I did it, she said.

00:32:52.1 597 ECOFFEY: Oh, Theda told John Boy what?

00:32:54.5 598 LOOKING CLOUD: I did it, if anything happens.

00:32:56.6 599 ECOFFEY: If anything happens, Theda said, I did it?

00:32:58.4 600 LOOKING CLOUD: (No audible answer)

00:33:00.5 601 ECOFFEY: Okay. When you got to the area where Anna Mae was at,

00:33:08.4 602 when you got her up there prior to John Boy shooting her, who

00:33:11.5 603 untied her?

00:33:14.4 604 LOOKING CLOUD: He did, I think.

00:33:18.6 605 ECOFFEY: He untied her?

00:33:19.3 606 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:33:21.7 607 ECOFFEY: And a little earlier you said that when they got out,

00:33:25.0 608 you said she thought she knew what was going to happen.

00:33:29.6 609 LOOKING CLOUD: No. When we got up on the hill, cause I didn't think

00:33:32.1 610 that was gonna happen until we got up on the hill.

00:33:34.0 611 ECOFFEY: But what did you mean, what -- did Anna Mae say

00:33:36.0 612 something? You said she knew what was gonna happen.

00:33:38.8 613 What did she say?

00:33:40.8 614 LOOKING CLOUD: She started praying.

00:33:42.4 615 ECOFFEY: What give you the impression that she knew what was

00:33:43.9 616 gonna happen?

00:33:45.3 617 LOOKING CLOUD: When she started praying and John Boy pulled the

00:33:47.2 618 gun out, and was standing with her. It was so quick though. [added "It was so quick here."]

00:33:55.9 619 ECOFFEY: And what was your understanding, Arlo, that - why was

00:33:58.1 620 she shot?

00:34:00.2 621 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't know.

00:34:01.9 622 ECOFFEY: Because of what?

00:34:05.5 623 LOOKING CLOUD: Just what Theda said.

00:34:07.6 624 ECOFFEY: Theda said what?

00:34:09.4 625 LOOKING CLOUD: She was an informant.

00:34:11.9 626 ECOFFEY: That she was an informant, and that's the reason that

00:34:15.0 627 John Boyshot her?

00:34:16.8 628 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:34:20.5 629 ECOFFEY: Okay. So then from the time that you left Denver

00:34:42.5 630 until the time Anna Mae was murdered, did she ever talk to you

00:34:46.2 631 at all?

00:34:47.0 632 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:34:48.2 633 ECOFFEY: Anna Mae never said one word to you?

00:34:49.8 634 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:34:53.6 635 ECOFFEY: Did she say any -- did she say anything to any -- to

00:34:55.8 636 John boy or--

00:34:57.4 637 LOOKING CLOUD: She talked to them.

00:34:58.9 638 ECOFFEY: What was the conversation that was going on?

00:35:01.5 639 LOOKING CLOUD: That's one thing that I never hear.

00:35:04.5 640 ECOFFEY: Now, ArIo, you guys were sitting in a Pinto --

00:35:07.0 641 LOOKING CLOUD: No, not in the -- Anna never said nothing. She was

00:35:11.4 642 always in the back.

00:35:12.6 643 ECOFFEY: She was always laying in the back?

00:35:13.4 644 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:35:13.8 645 ECOFFEY: Tied up?,

00:35:14.4 646 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:35:15.8 647 ECOFFEY: Okay. On any of your -- let's back up a little bit.

00:35:29.6 648 Do you remember, Arlo, on your trip from Rapid City -- you don't

00:35:37.7 649 remember seeing anybody that - anybody at that house in Rapid

00:35:41.6 650 City where Anna Mae was at?

00:35:44.4 651 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:35:45.4 652 ECOFFEY: And you didn't go down to the Wounded Knee legal

00:35:46.9 653 defense house?

00:35:49.0 654 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:35:51.0 655 ECOFFEY: Was you aware that they had a meeting down there?

00:35:53.6 656 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:35:55.5 657 ECOFFEY: Nobody said anything to you about it?

00:35:58.5 658 LOOKING CLOUD: No, they don't tell me nothing.

00:36:00.7 659 ECOFFEY: Okay. When you got to the Rosebud reservation, like I

00:36:06.6 660 say, wasn't that Kiles' place, Bill Means' place that you stopped at?

00:36:11.1 661LOOKING CLOUD: I don't know. I've never been to his place.

00:36:13.8 662 ECOFFEY: You know Bill Means?

00:36:15.6 663 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, I know who he is.

00:36:16.4 664 ECOFFEY: Okay. Well, let me - since - Arlo, I know for a

00:36:23.8 665 fact that on your way from Rapid City that you made another

00:36:27.6 666 stop, and that you stopped at - you stopped in Allen [removed "inaudible" and added "Allen']

00:36:34.2 667 South Dakota, that you stopped at Dick Marshal and Cleo

00:36:38.3 668 Marshal's house. Do you remember stopping there?

00:36:42.5 669 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:36:44.6 670 ECOFFEY: Okay. You don't remember stopping there?

00:36:46.5 671LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:36:47.9 672 ECOFFEY: Cause I know-- I know for a fact that you stopped

00:36:50.7 673 there, cause both Dick and Cleo are - are telling me that you,

00:36:58.2 674 John Boy, and Theda stopped there, and that you had Anna Mae,

00:37:02.1 675 and that somebody had a note, and that you went into - you went

00:37:09.3 676 into their house, you knocked on the door, they answered the

00:37:11.4 677 door, you went into their house, and at that point in time,

00:37:16.7 678 Theda said, Hey, we brought some baggage we got to take care of,

00:37:21.2 679 and that - at that point in time she had a note from someone,

00:37:25.0 680 and that you, John Boy, and her went into the bedroom with Dick

00:37:30.2 681 Marshal, and Cleo stayed -- Cleo stayed sitting out on the couch

00:37:35.5 682 with Anna Mae, and that you guys went in there, and you had a

00:37:38.6 683 conversation about this note.

00:37:41.1 684 You wanted to leave - you wanted to leave Anna Mae there,

00:37:44.6 685 but Dick and Cleo said No, that you couldn't leave her there.

00:37:50.9 686 Do you remember that happening?

00:37:52.3 687 LOOKING CLOUD: No, I don't remember that part. I don't know.

00:37:55.0 688 ECOFFEY: Do you know a Dick Marshal?

00:37:58.4 689 LOOKING CLOUD: I -- yeah, I met him.

00:38:01.8 690 ECOFFEY: You met Dick. How about his wife, Cleo?

00:38:05.1 691 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, but not - maybe once.

00:38:08.3 692 ECOFFEY: Do you remember stopping at their house?

00:38:10.4 693 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:38:13.7 694 ECOFFEY: Do you remember going into the bedroom with them and

00:38:16.4 695 Theda having a conversation with Dick about keeping her there?

00:38:19.9 696 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:38:23.8 697 ECOFFEY: And she had a note from someone?

00:38:26.8 698 LOOKING CLOUD: Huh-uh.

00:38:27.7 699 ECOFFEY: I want you to think about this real hard, Arlo,

00:38:29.7 700 because this is what they're telling me. This is coming from

00:38:34.1 701 CIeo. She said she sat out there, she said she fed you guys,

00:38:41.8 702 she said she gave Anna Mae a change of clothes. She said you

00:38:45.7 703 went in - she says you, you, John Boy, Theda, and Dick went

00:38:51.9 704 into the bedroom and had a conversation. And then Dick come out

00:38:55.2 705 and told her, she said, They want to keep - they want to keep

00:38:57.6 706 her here, they want us to keep her here, that they had a note

00:39:01.2 707 from somebody, that they wanted him to take care of this

00:39:03.3 708 baggage.

00:39:04.5 709 And Cleo said, No, we got kids here, we're not gonna get

00:39:07.4 710 involved. So then Dick went back into the bedroom and you guys

00:39:11.3 711 came out, and she fed Anna Mae some soup, she changed clothes,

00:39:15.9 712 and you guys came out, and then you took her and you left again.

00:39:19.1 713 Do you remember stopping there?

00:39:20.0 714 LOOKING CLOUD: No, I don't remember.

00:39:22.1 715 ECOFFEY: You need - I need you to be - I need you to be

00:39:22.0 716 truthful, Arlo.

00:39:23.5 717 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't remember right now, I don't remember that, I

00:39:25.6 718 thought we just went straight to Rosebud.

00:39:28.4 719 ECOFFEY: You thought you went straight to Rosebud. Do you

00:39:37.9 720 remember when you was up at that house where they had her tied

00:39:40.6 721 up, you remember seeing Thelma Rios?

00:39:49.0 722 LOOKING CLOUD: There was some woman, but I don't know (inaudible)

00:39:51.7 723 ECOFFEY: Okay. Do you know David Hill?

00:39:55.7 724 LOOKING CLOUD: No, I don't.

00:39:56.8 725 ECOFFEY: You don't know David Hill. You didn't see Thelma and

00:40:00.0 726 David Hill there?

00:40:02.6 727 LOOKING CLOUD: No. I don't remember.

00:40:06.8 728 There was some women there.

00:40:08.8 729 ECOFFEY: Who was the women? Arlo, I know you know these

00:40:12.2 730 people. You know, at this point in time --

00:40:15.4 731 LOOKING CLOUD: I know Theda, but I don't know the women.

00:40:17.8 732 ECOFFEY: Okay. But there was some women --you said there was

00:40:21.5 733 some women there.

00:40:22.2 734 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh.

00:40:23.4 735 ECOFFEY: How many women were there?

00:40:25.3 736 LOOKING CLOUD: I only seen one or - one or two older women.

00:40:27.9 737 ECOFFEY: One or two older women?

00:40:29.3 738 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:40:35.0 739 ECOFFEY: And was one Thelma Rios?

00:40:38.2 740 LOOKING CLOUD: I'm not sure. Does she have glasses?

00:40:40.1 741 ECOFFEY: And Thelma's mother, an older woman?

00:40:43.0 742 LOOKING CLOUD: Might have been.

00:40:44.4 743 ECOFFEY: Might have been. And that's when they had Anna Mae

00:40:49.4 744 tied up in that house -

00:40:51.6 745 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:40:52.1 746 ECOFFEY: -- in Rapid. Okay.

00:40:56.1 747 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't think she was tied up, though, then.

00:40:58.3 748 ECOFFEY: Okay. But she was tied up up to the point in time you

00:41:01.1 749 walked her up to the bank, right, when she was shot?

00:41:06.1 750 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh, I don't think she was.

00:41:14.1 751 ECOFFEY: Well, you just said a little bit earlier that -

00:41:16.5 752 LOOKING CLOUD: I'm not sure.

00:41:16.0 753 ECOFFEY: Okay. Let's back up. You just said a little earlier

00:41:19.0 754 that John Boy untied her when she started praying and -

00:41:22.0 755 LOOKING CLOUD: I can't remember.

00:41:22.0 756 ECOFFEY: - started (inaudible)

00:41:23.9 757 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, I think so. Or before that.

00:41:27.4 758 ECOFFEY: Okay. And what about her belongings, her wallet and

00:41:31.7 759 stuff? Who took - who took that from her?

00:41:34.5 760 LOOKING CLOUD: Probably Theda.

00:41:36.1 761 ECOFFEY: Probably Theda. Did they take that from her before

00:41:38.7 762 you got her out of the car? Her wallet and some of her personal

00:41:56.6 763 belongings, so they would know?

00:42:01.2 764 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, I think so.

00:42:02.7 765 ECOFFEY: Okay. Theda - who took it off her, who took her

00:42:05.8 766 wallet and stuff?

00:42:06.9 767 LOOKING CLOUD: Theda did.

00:42:09.8 768 ECOFFEY: Did you or - did you or John Boy take it from her and

00:42:12.1 769 then give it to Theda?

00:42:13.2 770 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:42:14.5 771 ECOFFEY: So Theda - Theda got it from her?

00:42:15.8 772 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh.

00:42:16.8 773 ECOFFEY: Okay.

00:42:17.9 774 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't know what she got.

00:42:21.5 775 ECOFFEY: You don't know what?

00:42:22.2 776 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't know what she got.

00:42:24.3 777 ECOFFEY: Okay. All right. And then after you - now, I want

00:42:33.4 778 you to think real hard, Arlo, when you went to Rosebud. You

00:42:37.7 779 went -- and I think that you went to Kiles' place, to Bill

00:42:41.2 780 Means' place.

00:42:51.1 781 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't know whose it was.

00:42:52.7 782 ECOFFEY: Okay. I think that there was a conversation in that

00:42:55.4 783 house as to what to do with her. And I need to know what

00:43:02.6 784 happened there, Arlo.

00:43:04.6 785 LOOKING CLOUD: I didn't go in.

00:43:05.5 786 ECOFFEY: You didn't go in?

00:43:06.3 787 LOOKING CLOUD: Huh-uh.

00:43:09.0 788 ECOFFEY: Did anybody come out?

00:43:10.6 789 LOOKING CLOUD: No. Just Theda went in first and came out, then

00:43:15.6 790 John Boy went in, and they both came out.

00:43:23.2 791 ECOFFEY: Okay. What about after you had - after John Boy shot

00:43:33.3 792 her and she fell over the bank, and you guys went back and you

00:43:36.4 793 got into thecar?

00:43:37.7 794 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh.

00:43:39.1 795 ECOFFEY: Is that right?

00:43:39.9 796 LOOKING CLOUD: Yes.

00:43:40.3 797 ECOFFEY: And then you started driving back towards Denver?

00:43:42.3 798 LOOKING CLOUD: Yes.

00:43:43.8 799 ECOFFEY: Okay. What did - you said you took the gun

00:43:50.9 800 and that you -

00:43:52.5 801 LOOKING CLOUD: Gave it back to John Boy.

00:43:53.9 802 ECOFFEY: You gave it back to John Boy?

00:43:55.1 803 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh.

00:44:02.0 804 ECOFFEY: Okay. And then when you got back into the car, what

00:44:05.2 805 did John Boy do with the gun?

00:44:07.5 806 LOOKING CLOUD: He put it somewhere. And when we was -- when

00:44:18.4 807 we left, they hid it under the bridge somewhere. But I don't know.

00:44:26.3 808 ECOFFEY: They hid it under a bridge someplace, and that was on

00:44:28.6 809 the way back to Denver?

00:44:29.5 810 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:44:29.9 811 ECOFFEY: You had stopped?

00:44:30.8 812 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:44:32.7 813 ECOFFEY: Okay. So then when you - after you had shot her, was

00:44:36.1 814 it getting real light by then?

00:44:37.7 815 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh.

00:44:40.8 816 ECOFFEY: Okay. And then did you - you drove back towards

00:44:45.3 817 Denver. When you got to -- did you stop anyplace else after you

00:44:49.1 818 - before getting to Denver?

00:44:51.2 819 LOOKING CLOUD: No, just came straight.

00:44:53.8 820 ECOFFEY: Okay. But Theda said that - now, what did she say,

00:44:57.1 821 if-

00:44:59.3 822 LOOKING CLOUD: That she did it, if anything happens (inaudible)

00:45:07.9 823 ECOFFEY: She said, If anything happens, I'm the one.

00:45:11.4 824 (inaudible) what did she exactly tell you and John Boy?

00:45:14.7 825LOOKING CLOUD: That she said -

00:45:15.2 826 ECOFFEY: What did she say?

00:45:16.2 827 LOOKING CLOUD: She said, I'm the one, I did it.

00:45:19.9 828 ECOFFEY: If anything happens, I'm the one that did it. Okay.

00:45:24.0 829 Did she tell you guys not to say anything?

00:45:26.0 830 LOOKING CLOUD: She - she just didn't say nothing.

00:45:29.7 831 ECOFFEY: She didn't say nothing. Okay. When you got back to

00:45:34.7 832 Denver, what did you do?

00:45:36.8 833 LOOKING CLOUD: He dropped -- she dropped me and John Boy off

00:45:40.7 834 over at -- John Boy was staying with Begay.

00:45:51.3 835 ECOFFEY: Is that Angie?

00:45:51.0 836 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah. [Added lines 836 - 841]

00:45:52.9 837 ECOFFEY: So they dropped John Boy off at Angie's?

00:45:54.9 838 LOOKING CLOUD: Me and John Boy.

00:45:55.9 839 ECOFFEY: You and John Boy?

00:45:56.5 840 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:45:57.1 841 ECOFFEY: Okay.

00:45:57.8 842 LOOKING CLOUD: So I stayed the night. The next morning I went

00:46:00.8 843 back to my -- where I was living at.

00:46:06.3 844 ECOFFEY: When you was at Angie's, did you and John Boy talk

00:46:08.9 845 about this at all?

00:46:09.9 846 LOOKING CLOUD: No, we was just -- he was just making chokers, and

00:46:13.5 847 I went to sleep,

00:46:15.6 848 ECOFFEY: Okay.

00:46:16.3 849 LOOKING CLOUD: Then Angie come and talked.

00:46:21.9 850 ECOFFEY: Okay. Whose decision was it to drive straight back to

00:46:24.4 851 Denver?

00:46:26.2 852 LOOKING CLOUD: Theda.

00:46:26.7 853 ECOFFEY: Theda's?

00:46:27.5 854 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:46:31.4 855 ECOFFEY: Okay. Is there anything else that you can tell me, Arlo?

00:46:43.3 856 LOOKING CLOUD: After that, I never did see or do anything with him

00:46:46.6 857 any more.

00:46:47.0 858 ECOFFEY: With John Boy?

00:46:49.1 859 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah. I never did see him after that.

00:46:56.5 860 ECOFFEY: Okay.

00:47:02.8 861 LOOKING CLOUD: But he was around for a while after that.

00:47:04.0 862 ECOFFEY: John Boy was?

00:47:05.6 863 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:47:10.9 864 ECOFFEY: Did you ever discuss this matter with anybody else?

00:47:13.6 865 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:47:14.5 866 ECOFFEY: No. Okay. A little bit ago, or earlier, I thought

00:47:25.4 867 you had mentioned something about Belcourt or somebody coming.

00:47:30.0 868 LOOKING CLOUD: Oh, he's the only one that would know, from all of

00:47:31.9 869 them. I mean a little bit, but not very much.

00:47:34.5 870 ECOFFEY: What Belcourt?

00:47:35.5 871 LOOKING CLOUD: Vernon.

00:47:36.2 872 ECOFFEY: Vernon?

00:47:36.9 873 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah. Cause he was here in Denver.

00:47:39.1 874 ECOFFEY: And did he come see you?

00:47:41.6 875 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:47:42.2 876 ECOFFEY: Huh?

00:47:42.6 877 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:47:47.6 878 ECOFFEY: Okay. What if I have a witness that says that they

00:47:50.9 879 were with you when he came to see you.

00:47:54.9 880 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:47:56.8 881 ECOFFEY: Vernon never came to talk to you about this?

00:47:58.4 882 LOOKING CLOUD: Huh-uh. Never did.

00:48:00.9 883 ECOFFEY: Never did, huh?

00:48:03.9 884 LOOKING CLOUD: No one ever said anything.

00:48:07.7 885 ECOFFEY: Okay. But you don't remember stopping at Dick and

00:48:15.7 886 Cleo Marshal's?

00:48:16.7 887 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:48:17.5 888 ECOFFEY: And having a conversation in the bedroom?

00:48:19.2 889 LOOKING CLOUD: Huh-uh.

00:48:20.1 890 ECOFFEY: And with a note. Okay. When you got back here [Added "And with a note."]

00:48:31.0 891 to Denver, did you -- was a ceremony held?

00:48:37.9 892 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't think so, because I stayed away.

00:48:39.7 893 I don't know.

00:48:40.4 894 ECOFFEY: You stayed away?

00:48:41.4 895 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:48:41.8 896 ECOFFEY: You didn't go to any ceremony?

00:48:43.1 897 LOOKING CLOUD: I didn't go to any of their things any more.

00:48:45.8 898 ECOFFEY: Any more.

00:48:46.1 899 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:48:49.0 900 ECOFFEY: Okay.

00:48:50.4 901 LOOKING CLOUD: I just stayed away.

00:48:52.9 902 ECOFFEY: Why would -- and why was it you said that John Boy

00:48:59.3 903 handed you the gun after he shot Anna Mae?

00:49:01.6 904 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh.

00:49:02.4 905 ECOFFEY: How come he handed you the gun?

00:49:06.1 906 LOOKING CLOUD: I was thinking maybe he wanted me to put my

00:49:08.7 907 fingerprints on it or something to help (inaudible) so I just --

00:49:15.1 908 and I knew there was some bullets.

00:49:22.9 909 ECOFFEY: Now, your fingerprints wouldn't be on that gun because

00:49:24.9 910 you was the one that shot her, would it?

00:49:26.7 911 LOOKING CLOUD: No. -No. [Added'No".]

00:49:40.4 912 ECOFFEY: Anything else? And that's about the best you can

00:49:43.3 913 remember, huh?

00:49:44.2 914 LOOKING CLOUD: Uh-huh. That's all I was really involved. I didn't

00:49:49.1 915 really know what was going on.

00:49:51.5 916 ECOFFEY: Okay. When you say you didn't really know what was

00:49:53.2 917 going on, you knew-- you knew for a fact that Theda told you

00:49:56.6 918 that you had Anna Mae there, that she was - as you was saying,

00:50:01.3 919 as Theda said, she was an informant, and that you -- they --

00:50:04.4 920 that -- and you saw them tie her up, and you saw them put her in

00:50:07.9 921 the car, and your understanding, they were taking her back to

00:50:09.0 922 South Dakota because they thought she was an informant.

00:50:12.8 923 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah, I was gonna just take her over there and was

00:50:15.2 924 supposed to come back.

00:50:16.7 925 ECOFFEY: When you say you don't know what was going on, you did

00:50:19.4 926 know what was going on, because they told you that she - the

00:50:22.1 927 reason you was taking her back was because they thought she was

00:50:24.3 928 an informant, right?

00:50:26.6 929 LOOKING CLOUD: They just said they wanted to talk to her.

00:50:29.7 930 ECOFFEY: They wanted to talk to her. Did she say who wanted to

00:50:31.6 931 talk to her?

00:50:32.5 932 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:50:35.0 933 ECOFFEY: Okay. And you - and you did not go to the -- you did

00:50:39.1 934 not take her, you and John Boy and Theda didn't take her to the

00:50:44.0 935 Wounded Knee legal defense house?

00:50:46.1 936 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't think so, cause we just stayed in that house

00:50:49.0 937 all day.

00:50:51.4 938 ECOFFEY: Okay. Well, if I had several witnesses that said that

00:50:54.4 939 she showed up there, at the Wounded Knee legal defense house,

00:50:56.0 940 where there was a meeting held with a bunch of people, what can

00:51:00.8 941 you tell me about that?

00:51:02.2 942 LOOKING CLOUD: I don't even know where the legal defense fund is.

00:51:05.3 943 ECOFFEY: The house?

00:51:06.1 944 LOOKING CLOUD: Yeah.

00:51:13.0 945 ECOFFEY: Did you ever discuss Anna Mae's murder with Troy Lynn?

00:51:17.8 946 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:51:18.5 947 ECOFFEY: No? Okay. How about Frank Dillon? [removed 'inaudible" and added Dillon]

00:51:27.8 948 LOOKING CLOUD: No.

00:51:32.0 949 ECOFFEY: All right. Well, I guess that's it, Arlo. You know,

00:51:36.0 950 I appreciate you cooperating with this, and I think it's good

00:51:42.1 951 that we bring this thing to an end, you know, for Anna Mae and

00:51:45.0 952 for her family. And I appreciate you cooperating with us on this.

00:51:52.0 953 LOOKING CLOUD: I talked to her daughters.

00:51:53.6 954 ECOFFEY: You talked to her daughters. When did you do that?

00:51:57.3 955 LOOKING CLOUD: It was a while back.

00:51:58.1 956 ECOFFEY: A while back. You didn't tell them what happened,

00:52:04.0 957 though, did you?

00:52:05.1 958 LOOKING CLOUD: A little bit, what they wanted, and I was sorry, and

00:52:13.0 959 if I'd of known, I wouldn't have been involved.

00:52:19.4 960 ECOFFEY: If you would have known, you wouldn't have been involved?

00:52:20.7 961LOOKING CLOUD: (No audible response)

00:52:22.9 962 ECOFFEY: Okay. All right.

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